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Some Muslims Kill

Kamangir | June 16, 2006 | Category Iran

This is the revised version of an old post (see). With apologizes to my friend whom was very offended by the sentences I quoted from her the beginning part of this text is shortened. I should emphasize that the character described in that post has nothing to do with the real identity of my friend. This post contains discussions about Islam that may seem to be offensive by some people.

Seventeen Muslims are caught in Ontario for planning to blow up public buildings and shooting ordinary people in the streets. Mike has a very obvious question “they are Canadians! Why would they do this to their own people?” Azadeh and I can’t help him to understand that being Canadian doesn’t mean respecting Canadians. Furthermore, what if those people do not accept the term “Canadian” as anything more than a word on their passports. I would understand if they think they belong to the majestic “nation of Islam”. Mike then asks “this is like blowing up your home because you dislike some people who live there”. Again, I understand if these people feel no connection with the country in which women walk in the streets with their skirts up to their knees. I think what Mike doesn’t understand is the existence of the supreme land to which some people are belonged. For them Canada or Iran or any other terrestrial piece of land is just clay, a burden to reach to the high vicinity of divinity.
Azadeh and I have been recently engaged in a discussion with another friend about non-disputable facts. Basically, we have been thinking if there is anything which is final and have to be obeyed at any circumstance. Thinking about love, sacredness of life, objection to torture and a couple of other things we did not find anything which can be categorized as non-disputable. Then, after Azadeh and I talked about the new arrests and then we talked with Mike, Azadeh called me with this strange sentence from a Muslim, “I think the only non-disputable fact for me is the fact that nothing is non-disputable”. I don’t think many Muslims share the same idea.
What’s the solution? Who is responsible?
Every morning I see junk emails mostly including messages of hope and indication of family values in my mailbox. Sometimes there are pictures of breath-taking natural scenes or strange events in the emails, too. Yet, I have never seen such an email which denounces Muslim terrorists sent by a Muslim fellow. I have not seen or heard one single clergy man issuing a fatwa to denounce terrorism. I have not seen any Islamic institution saying “you can not attack people even if they are insulting the bases of Islam”. Regretfully, it is exactly opposite. Clergy men encourage overreactions. They bless people who are killed when attempting to kill this offender or to blow up that institute which has commented on Islam.
I would say, Islam is seriously ill. When you see more and more news about followers of a religion attempting to kill people my understanding is that there is something wrong with that religion. I do agree that some western media exaggerate the facts. Yet, the event of even one single incident in which a Muslim attempts to kill another human being because he has been mistreating the sacred Islamic values is a matter of shame. While there is even one Muslim terrorist in the world I see no point for asking Allah for acceptance of our prayers. To my understanding, Muslims who do not denounce those who use Islam as a justification of terror are personally involved in the crime.
Just Imagine what would happen if a groups of Jewish people were caught planning to blow up a building in Iran. What if there was information about Jewish conspiracies to shoot people in Tehran. Wouldn’t any of us, Iranians, ask the first Jewish man we saw in the street what the hell was happening?
I remember when the day after 9/11 attacks some people gathered in Mohseni Square and held candles for sympathy with the victims. The humanistic side of the event was so touching that the voice was even heard in the west. Regretfully, there was news that Police stopped the protest.
I regret to say that to my understanding and knowledge some Muslims have lost their connection to the humanity. My question is, when will they realize that you can not kill people because they disagree with you.

Reader's Comments

  1. Eman | June 16th, 2006 at 7:29 pm

    Hi there,
    Read with some interest what your writing. However you are not quite correct saying that no islamic leader denounces terrorism. After the bomb-blasts in Taba 2004,Sharm el -Sheik 2005 and Dahab 2006 there were a lot of talks and informations by the Mufti of Al Azhar and other religious leaders about terrorism and the present misunderstanding of terrorism as holy war. These official talks in various public TV programs e.g. “al-bet-betak” (Egypt) are still going on. Regards Eman

  2. ella | June 16th, 2006 at 9:05 pm

    e-man

    There were discussions, but there are some form of terrorism which people from Al Azhar still accept.
    They may say terrorism is wrong or there are misunderstanding of the meaning of terrorism as jihad, but to my knowledge, most of them did not protest or published a fatwa against terrorism in Israel.
    Furthermore many of these highly-visible persons started to cry against terrorism only after recent terrorist bomb attacks in Egypt, they were silent before.

    I am not saying that every muslim cleric support terrorism, I am saying that there is ambivalence in their statements.

  3. Winston | June 17th, 2006 at 12:16 am

    All MUSLIMS are capable of KILLING

  4. Anonymous | June 17th, 2006 at 3:03 am

    Salam Kamangir,

    Kheili ghashang minevisi, blogat ra khaili doost daram. Man beh hameen daleel va neez beh dalayel digar baes shod keh az islam kharej besham va masihi shodam.

    Mahsheed

  5. ella | June 17th, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    Winston

    Everybody is capable of killing in certain circumstances, christians, muslims, jews, everybody.

  6. Arash | June 17th, 2006 at 6:53 pm

    Eman,
    I would like to see your answer to Ella.

  7. Arash | June 17th, 2006 at 6:54 pm

    Winston,
    Nothing new. You really hate Muslims.

  8. Arash | June 17th, 2006 at 6:57 pm

    Anonymous (Mahsheed) writes,
    … For this and other reasons I rejected Islam and became a Christian.

    Mahsheed,
    Do you feel there is a very major difference between Islam and Christianity, beyond rituals and the appearances?

  9. Arash | June 17th, 2006 at 6:58 pm

    Ella,
    Good… :)

  10. Winston | June 18th, 2006 at 1:25 am

    Why should I love them?

    LoL

  11. Anonymous | June 18th, 2006 at 2:52 am

    Arash,

    cheh bad shod beh hameen zoody bakhteem! :(

    Yes!! Cheh joory begam, seh halat bishtar nadareh, ya yeki ghalateh oon yeki dorosteh, ya har do ghalatand. Amma emakan nadareh har do ta dorost bashan, chon yeki migeh masih beh saleeb koshtanesh va masih khodast, digari migeh een toor neest. Boniad har do ta absolutely roo identity masih micharkheh.

    Ma hamamoon ba khoda bayad rabeteh dashteh basheem, vali deen yeh cheezeh kheili sakhtieh. Nemigam keh hatman raheh mano boro (garcheh az tah delam agheedeh daram behtareen raheh reseedaneh be khodast), amma torobekhoda nazar shakhaee ke nesbat be islam peyda kardi shoma ra ham az khoda door koneh.

  12. moif | June 18th, 2006 at 6:29 am

    I’m not sure where to put this, but have you heard of this?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/18/wiran18.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/18/ixnews.html

  13. Lesly | June 18th, 2006 at 8:05 am

    Winston: “Why should I love them? LoL”

    Because we call Jews that criticize Israeli policies self-hating Jews. :-p

    Moif, I can’t copy you your link. It’s cut off.

  14. Arash | June 18th, 2006 at 11:40 am

    Lesly
    This is the link (see).

  15. Arash | June 18th, 2006 at 11:43 am

    Anonymous (probably Mahsheed) writes,

    … We all have to have a connection to God. But, religion is a very hard thing. I am not saying follow my path, though from the bottom of my heart I believe that’s the best way to God, but please do not let your opinion about Islam make you apart from the God.

  16. Arash | June 18th, 2006 at 11:44 am

    Winston,
    So, you either love somebody or hate them?

  17. Arash | June 18th, 2006 at 11:45 am

    Moif,
    Thanks for the link. I had seen the same news from different sources. Frankly, I am not positive. I do not think the problem is this or that cleric who rules the country. The problem is the clergy system interfering in politics, to my understanding.

  18. moif | June 18th, 2006 at 3:25 pm

    Arash,

    Oh, yes, I am in complete agreement. Most certainly. I was surprised all the same to see such a critic from within Iran. Its just another example of how that country continues to defy me comprehension. Just when I think I’ve got an understanding along comes something like this and confuses me again.

    First of all its unusual(for me at at least) to read that people from within Iran are able to openly critisize like that, and second, I am some what surprised that the grandson of Khomeni should prove so candid (and brave?) as to invite the invasion of his country by the USA in order to free it from the clerics, …for which courage I salute him.

    Most unusual!

  19. Arash | June 19th, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    Moif
    I think you have never had the “chance” to live in a dictatorship country, where there is a central belief system supporting the whole administration.
    Take this other example, people supported by the ultra-right started to carry out an “investigation” into the life and works of dissident intellectuals in a project called “the dark side”. The results where aired on the national television and also published in dozens of volumes. The essence of the project was to show that the “enemy” is attacking Islamic values through “people who call themselves intellectuals”. The project was announced to have been carried out by professors, none of whom had their identity disclosed to the public. They had no problem for the television show but publication was another matter. So, the son of an Ayatollah who had a medical publication institute took the job and the books came to market.
    Then, after couple of years, the same man gave an interview and severely blamed the administration for something I do not remember. For a few days people were in shock. However, news started to spread that he had an open corruption case and tried to change the pace of the action to a political one. This way he could have benefited from his father’s name. The guy survived the case and everybody forgot him.
    I am trying to show you that in such systems people may speak out. But that doesn’t mean they are innocent brave dissidents. Many times it is only about a power struggle. Though, in the absence of powerful independent media there is no way to understand the real intentions.
    Just another example, Khameneii’s brother in law (I am not sure if he was his brother in law or son in law or even something else. I am sure they where close family members) refuged to Iraq, during the war with the same country, and was used in Saddam’s propaganda. Then, a few years after the war the same guy refuged back and was spared. You see, the actual story is very sophisticated and not easily understandable. Even an Iranian who has access to Iranian news sources, and also rumors, is not always capable of digesting this bizarre situation.

  20. moif | June 19th, 2006 at 2:41 pm

    Thanks Arash.

    You’re right. I have never lived in a dictatorship, nor anything that even resembled one.

  21. moif | June 19th, 2006 at 4:30 pm

    Here’s another interesting article… this time about multi culture in Canada

    http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Corbella_Licia/2006/06/18/1638909.html

  22. Winston | June 20th, 2006 at 12:39 am

    No, I neither love nor hate any body but I hold grudge against Arabs and Muslims and I hold muslims responsible for the terrorism and violence in this world.

  23. Arash | June 20th, 2006 at 11:45 am

    Moif,
    You are so lucky for that! :)

  24. Arash | June 20th, 2006 at 11:47 am

    Winston
    Do you have problems even with Christian and Atheist Arabs?

  25. memol | May 11th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    “Yet, the event of even one single incident in which a Muslim attempts to kill another human being because …”

    There is no question that even one incident is a shame but for the whole humanity not just a specific community.
    Replace the word Muslim for Jewish, Christian, Atheist, … do you think it is impossible? If you do, then that means you have just arrived from another planet. All throughout history people from any religious (or non-religious) backgrounds have killed each other for disagreements. Pointing finger to a whole community because of wrongdoings of some (which exist in any community) is very dogmatic and naive. Do you think it is just in Islam that some twist the rules to use them as tools for their own benefits?

    My question for Winston is: Would you please tell us the source of support for your argument?

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