Comments on: Lebanon Is Ours http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/ An Iranian looking at Iran as a foreigner... Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:18:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Athena http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7956 Athena Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:06:58 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7956 In terms of global behavior -- is this something new? Don't act the self-righteous moral super-hero. The innocents are always paying the heaviest price of wars. States and militia groups (in South America, all around Africa, South-East Asia and Europe) prefer spending millions on guns and weapons, while the local children are dying of hunger, neglect and lack of proper medical treatment. In the Iran-Iraq war (remember the 1980s?), there are accounts that over 50,000 children (under the age 15) were killed in the fighting. Its not even new, that States and armed groups were/are using humanitarian shipments to smuggle arms and weaponry, or bargain viscously for their own interests with humanitarian aid (I can name few places in Africa as examples, if you like). Since, i do agree that every side in the current crisis can claim for its just causes (and no one can really be objective - without taking sides. like in the equations you are trying to set) - the solution, is an international movement that do not call for peace - but calls for the end of all wars, that calls for the end of unnecessary killing, no matter where. Whether in East Timor, Seri-Lanka, Africa, Middle East etc. Peace will come the day after, when all nations lay down their arms and truly respect every man, woman and child's human right to exist. In terms of global behavior — is this something new? Don’t act the self-righteous moral super-hero. The innocents are always paying the heaviest price of wars. States and militia groups (in South America, all around Africa, South-East Asia and Europe) prefer spending millions on guns and weapons, while the local children are dying of hunger, neglect and lack of proper medical treatment. In the Iran-Iraq war (remember the 1980s?), there are accounts that over 50,000 children (under the age 15) were killed in the fighting. Its not even new, that States and armed groups were/are using humanitarian shipments to smuggle arms and weaponry, or bargain viscously for their own interests with humanitarian aid (I can name few places in Africa as examples, if you like).

Since, i do agree that every side in the current crisis can claim for its just causes (and no one can really be objective - without taking sides. like in the equations you are trying to set) - the solution, is an international movement that do not call for peace - but calls for the end of all wars, that calls for the end of unnecessary killing, no matter where. Whether in East Timor, Seri-Lanka, Africa, Middle East etc. Peace will come the day after, when all nations lay down their arms and truly respect every man, woman and child’s human right to exist.

]]> By: kamangir http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7955 kamangir Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:39:40 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7955 And what about the kids whom are killed in this war of adults? And what about the kids whom are killed in this war of adults?

]]> By: Phil http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7954 Phil Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:25:14 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7954 The pull-out the Iranian interest from the region (the north border of Israel). The pull-out the Iranian interest from the region (the north border of Israel).

]]> By: kamangir http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7953 kamangir Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:17:13 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7953 And what is the role this war in this big picture? And what is the role this war in this big picture?

]]> By: Phil http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7952 Phil Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:16:17 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7952 Yes there is the light - the prosperity motivation of the people. We have to believe. First indications are peace agreements between Israel and Egypt and Jordan. Now will come an agreement between Lebanon and Israel (US interest). Israel and Syria not yet (not in the US interest yet) which is a mistake. Yes there is the light - the prosperity motivation of the people.
We have to believe. First indications are peace agreements between Israel and Egypt and Jordan. Now will come an agreement between Lebanon and Israel (US interest). Israel and Syria not yet (not in the US interest yet) which is a mistake.

]]> By: kamangir http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7951 kamangir Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:05:56 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7951 OK, I am quite confused. Everyone hates everyone. I do not think there is any light at the end of this tunnel. OK, I am quite confused. Everyone hates everyone. I do not think there is any light at the end of this tunnel.

]]> By: Phil http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7950 Phil Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:53:57 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7950 Evil? no! Worth, they are govern by interests and certainly paranoia. The target is not Hezbollah, it is Iran. The game here is strategic and not only regional. The Israelis are not the good guys or better guys than Syria or Lebanon. They are the most paranoid in the region (Holocaust). I beleive that all the people in the region want to prosper. The problem are regional (Iran v.s US interest in the region) and strategic (US v.s Russia) interests and the paranoia of there governments. In a very simpliest way: Syria fears the strength of Israel, Israel v.s Iran and there militia in Lebanon + Hamas (Syria) in the palestinian authority, Lebanon v.s Syria, and the US v.s radical Islam. The Bush administartion divides the participants in two groups: the bad guys (states that support terrorists)and the good guys (states that fight terrorists). Israel and the US are allies but US interests in the region are not always Israel interests... Evil? no! Worth, they are govern by interests and certainly paranoia. The target is not Hezbollah, it is Iran. The game here is strategic and not only regional.
The Israelis are not the good guys or better guys than Syria or Lebanon. They are the most paranoid in the region (Holocaust). I beleive that all the people in the region want to prosper. The problem are regional (Iran v.s US interest in the region) and strategic (US v.s Russia) interests and the paranoia of there governments. In a very simpliest way: Syria fears the strength of Israel, Israel v.s Iran and there militia in Lebanon + Hamas (Syria) in the palestinian authority, Lebanon v.s Syria, and the US v.s radical Islam. The Bush administartion divides the participants in two groups: the bad guys (states that support terrorists)and the good guys (states that fight terrorists). Israel and the US are allies but US interests in the region are not always Israel interests…

]]> By: kamangir http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7949 kamangir Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:13:43 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7949 I love these neat arguments. Lets look at it like this, if everything is this easy to understand why some people can not help understanding it? Because they are evil? I have lived between the people who believe they are attacked by other "infidels". So, I pretty much know what kind of organization Hezbollah is. Also, I know how manipulative they probably are. I do not support Hezbollah but at the same time I do not like manipulation of truth so that it serves the speaker's benefits. If the Israeli government is the nice gentle state that it is portrayed to be these days why are there too many pieces of land occupied by Israel? Lets be objective. I do not think we can manufacture versions of truth just because the target is a not very decent organization like Hezbollah. I love these neat arguments. Lets look at it like this, if everything is this easy to understand why some people can not help understanding it? Because they are evil?
I have lived between the people who believe they are attacked by other “infidels”. So, I pretty much know what kind of organization Hezbollah is. Also, I know how manipulative they probably are. I do not support Hezbollah but at the same time I do not like manipulation of truth so that it serves the speaker’s benefits. If the Israeli government is the nice gentle state that it is portrayed to be these days why are there too many pieces of land occupied by Israel?
Lets be objective. I do not think we can manufacture versions of truth just because the target is a not very decent organization like Hezbollah.

]]> By: Phil http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7948 Phil Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:03:24 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7948 Some corrections in regards to the Golan heights. This territory is not a matter of Hezbollah but rather between Syria and Israel. A dispute beween two states. As I am optimistic and no war occur between the concern countries since 1973, this matter will be solve in the near future (5 to 10 years), maybe after the creation of the palestinian state. The "Sheba farms" territories are the excuse of Hezbollah to defend the rights of Lebanon against Israel. By the way those territories do not belong to Lebanon but to Syria (very complicated). This issue should be solve between the legal authorities of the concern states and not by an arm group or militia or political representative in the lebanese government as Hezbollah. As for the Hezbollah Israeli war in Lebanon, the people of Lebanon have to decide if they want to control all of there territories or not. I said the lebanese people and not the lebanese government which is to weak. They prove to the world in a peace manner there objection to the syrian occupation. The Syrian had to leave Lebanon. In addition, Israel should start talking with Syria despite the objections of the US, which will bring calm and even peace between Israel and Lebanon (no arm militia in Lebanon anymore) and later through step agreements - peace between Syria and Israel. At present, the Syrian interests for discussions and peace are stronger than the Israeli part. Some corrections in regards to the Golan heights. This territory is not a matter of Hezbollah but rather between Syria and Israel. A dispute beween two states. As I am optimistic and no war occur between the concern countries since 1973, this matter will be solve in the near future (5 to 10 years), maybe after the creation of the palestinian state. The “Sheba farms” territories are the excuse of Hezbollah to defend the rights of Lebanon against Israel. By the way those territories do not belong to Lebanon but to Syria (very complicated). This issue should be solve between the legal authorities of the concern states and not by an arm group or militia or political representative in the lebanese government as Hezbollah. As for the Hezbollah Israeli war in Lebanon, the people of Lebanon have to decide if they want to control all of there territories or not. I said the lebanese people and not the lebanese government which is to weak. They prove to the world in a peace manner there objection to the syrian occupation. The Syrian had to leave Lebanon. In addition, Israel should start talking with Syria despite the objections of the US, which will bring calm and even peace between Israel and Lebanon (no arm militia in Lebanon anymore) and later through step agreements - peace between Syria and Israel. At present, the Syrian interests for discussions and peace are stronger than the Israeli part.

]]> By: kamangir http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7947 kamangir Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:56:32 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/07/30/lebanon-is-ours/#comment-7947 I try to be objective too :). When Israel likes Hezbollah to be diminished I can think of the fact that in the absence of Hezbollah there will be no opposition to acts like occupying Golan heights. I am not a fan of Hezbollah. The similar group has already ruined Iran. But, I think we have to be rational and fair if we claim we are against unfairness and irrational behaviors. Any way, lets talk more. I try to be objective too :). When Israel likes Hezbollah to be diminished I can think of the fact that in the absence of Hezbollah there will be no opposition to acts like occupying Golan heights. I am not a fan of Hezbollah. The similar group has already ruined Iran. But, I think we have to be rational and fair if we claim we are against unfairness and irrational behaviors.
Any way, lets talk more.

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