Comments on: Ghadr Nights, Beauty vs. Ugliness

By: kamangir

kamangir — Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:23:52 +0000

Amin,
Thanks for the correction. I’ll apply it on the text.

By: Amin

Amin — Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:56:06 +0000

Dear Arash,
In Quran it is said that the night is better than a thousand ‘months’ not a thousand ‘years’.

By: kamangir

kamangir — Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:55:16 +0000

Mumin,
I refer you to PersianArchitect’s comment. I have no negative attitude towards Muslims. My problem is with oppression. Any person in the world can choose any idea that they like, given that they do not obstruct others’ rights.
Even if all mothers and fathers are practicing oppression, that does not mean it is a rational act. Look at this, a kid is very likely to accept his parents’ belief system. Why? Because that particular religion has so much to offer or because of what you call a “universal standard”.
I think your comment proves my point. As you say it “obviously does not happen this way”. Because, many religious people, including a large fraction of Muslims, do not tolerate letting their children think freely. I am saying this as a person who has lived in an Islamic society among Muslims for over twenty years.
The scene is a â€œpublic practice of oppressionâ€ because no one stands up asking people why they have brought their kids. I look at it like this. I watched “snakes in a plane”, last night. I feared and laughed and had a good evening with my wife and my friends. The movie also had some adult scenes which I liked, too. Knowing that I have enjoyed the movie, does that mean I will go with my child to watch it? Obviously, not. The fact that I “like” something does not justify forcing people, whom I can control, to be a copy of me. Unfortunately, many Muslims have missed this point.
by the way, what is “the most liberating thing one can choose to do”? Have you ever lived in Iran? The worst part of the Iranian dictatorship, to my understanding, is that it copied itself inside everyone. We all tend to practice oppression, when we can.

By: kamangir

kamangir — Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:44:31 +0000

Sina,
Thanks. Which part is not working properly?

By: PersianArchitect

PersianArchitect — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:47:24 +0000

For Mnmin: May I ask why should we not ‘respect our childrens’s right to choose their religion? and further more; ‘Go to any country in the world. Find any father and mother practicing any religion in the world. Of course they are going to teach their children the same religion they have.’So what if it is practised in other places in the world? Is that why it makes it right? Where is the logic in that?

I am ok with explaining to children about the basic concepts of all religions in a secular manner, but I oppose and condemn any teaching which will temper with the child’s soul and mind.

Dear, Mumin, days of religious strictness and blind devouties are coming to an end, specially in my country.

By: Sina

Sina — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:24:22 +0000

Arash jan
Your template plays up a bit, I think you need to have a look :)

By: Mumin

Mumin — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:53:21 +0000

Why do you seem to take such a negative attitude towards Muslims?

Go to any country in the world. Find any father and mother practicing any religion in the world. Of course they are going to teach their children the same religion they have. They are not going to say “oh, we must respect our childrens’ right to choose religion freely. Let them stay at home and decide if Islam is right for them, they will come to the mosque.” No, obviously does not happen this way.

Why do you describe the scenes of a bunch of people in the masjid as a “public practice of oppression”? Just because you choose not to be a strict and devout Muslim or even Muslim at all does not give you the right to classify those who do chose to do so out of their own free will as “oppressed”.

Rather, this is the most liberating thing one can choose to do.