Comments on: The Mandatory Religious Experience http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/ An Iranian looking at Iran as a foreigner... Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:50:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: kamangir http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8701 kamangir Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:15:47 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8701 Mahii, All I am saying is that Religion is a personal matter. That's it. Mahii,
All I am saying is that Religion is a personal matter. That’s it.

]]> By: mahii http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8700 mahii Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:40:24 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8700 If you are an anti-religion( who thinks religion is dangereous and harmful) your discussion is completly right. But if you don't have problem with religion I need to clarify some points.:)) Again I have problem with the comparison:))) Pot smoker knows his act isn't good and doesn't want to expose his child to the act which is harmful for his body and mind and if he does, his mind has been dysfunctional because of drug. So,back to religion Is being religious is something bad and harmful??it is not( or at least I think it is not). Is being religious make parents mind dysfunctional not to see the harms for their child? As I got you, you means exposing to religious practice means forcing the children in a direction which they might not want or is harmful for them. I told you if by harm you mean just being religious ( I mean just because they have had religous parents, they beocome religious) , I don't see anything wrong or harmful with it. We get so many habbits(good or bad) from our parents, we got so many customs and traditions, even the way that we see our world mostly comes from our parents. religion is part of many things we got from them.Our education and communication with outside or I say environment balance these habbits. But if by harm you mean something more, something that makes the child's mind dysfuntional. I doubt it too. I don't say religion doesn't resonate some mental problems.We have so many radical religious people in every religion which have been caused so many destruction in world. for example newest one is "Bin Laden". The best way is to study and see how much the childhood exposure to religion, cause their mental problems or if they had one how much it effects the illness .because sometimes even If they have been exposed to neutral environment they might have become serial killer or other kind of extremist. Again I don't see any problem with majoriy of iranian people being muslims (because of anything). I like to see an statistics to show how much of Iranian say they are muslim but not strictly. If government let people to be what they really want to be I doubt mostly wants to change their religion they might just doesn't want to work as hard as their religion ordered.:))) thanks for your good discussion.:)) If you are an anti-religion( who thinks religion is dangereous and harmful) your discussion is completly right. But if you don’t have problem with religion I need to clarify some points.:))
Again I have problem with the comparison:)))
Pot smoker knows his act isn’t good and doesn’t want to expose his child to the act which is harmful for his body and mind and if he does, his mind has been dysfunctional because of drug.
So,back to religion Is being religious is something bad and harmful??it is not( or at least I think it is not). Is being religious make parents mind dysfunctional not to see the harms for their child?
As I got you, you means exposing to religious practice means forcing the children in a direction which they might not want or is harmful for them. I told you if by harm you mean just being religious ( I mean just because they have had religous parents, they beocome religious) , I don’t see anything wrong or harmful with it. We get so many habbits(good or bad) from our parents, we got so many customs and traditions, even the way that we see our world mostly comes from our parents. religion is part of many things we got from them.Our education and communication with outside or I say environment balance these habbits.
But if by harm you mean something more, something that makes the child’s mind dysfuntional. I doubt it too. I don’t say religion doesn’t resonate some mental problems.We have so many radical religious people in every religion which have been caused so many destruction in world. for example newest one is “Bin Laden”. The best way is to study and see how much the childhood exposure to religion, cause their mental problems or if they had one how much it effects the illness .because sometimes even If they have been exposed to neutral environment they might have become serial killer or other kind of extremist.
Again I don’t see any problem with majoriy of iranian people being muslims (because of anything). I like to see an statistics to show how much of Iranian say they are muslim but not strictly. If government let people to be what they really want to be I doubt mostly wants to change their religion they might just doesn’t want to work as hard as their religion ordered.:)))

thanks for your good discussion.:))

]]> By: kamangir http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8699 kamangir Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:26:27 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8699 Mahii, Just imagine what fraction of Iranians were Muslim if they were not forcefully and solely exposed to Islam. That says something. The fact that the Iranian supreme leader is in charge is partly because most of the Iranians are Shia Muslims. And that's because they are gently and deliberately forced to be. Try to imagine this bizarre scene; adults are smoking pot and kids are around because its a social gathering. Most of these kids will become smokers. So, through a very social and even maybe happy experience we have pushed them under the umbrella of pot smokers. I see a very similar pattern with Islam. Obviously, I haven't seen any study either. Whereas, I have definitely seen the majority of Iranians supporting Islam more or less. And yes, some other religions do it. That's right. So, why don't we do it? Is that what you mean? Mahii,
Just imagine what fraction of Iranians were Muslim if they were not forcefully and solely exposed to Islam. That says something. The fact that the Iranian supreme leader is in charge is partly because most of the Iranians are Shia Muslims. And that’s because they are gently and deliberately forced to be.
Try to imagine this bizarre scene; adults are smoking pot and kids are around because its a social gathering. Most of these kids will become smokers. So, through a very social and even maybe happy experience we have pushed them under the umbrella of pot smokers. I see a very similar pattern with Islam.
Obviously, I haven’t seen any study either. Whereas, I have definitely seen the majority of Iranians supporting Islam more or less. And yes, some other religions do it. That’s right. So, why don’t we do it? Is that what you mean?

]]> By: mahii http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8698 mahii Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:08:35 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8698 hrash religious!!! and sorry for all spelling mistakes:))) hrash religious!!! and sorry for all spelling mistakes:)))

]]> By: mahii http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8697 mahii Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:59:13 +0000 http://kamangir.net/2006/11/10/the-mandatory-religious-experience/#comment-8697 Comapring the underagede sextual experiences with kids religion practices are kind of shallow comparison. Exposing the child who doesn't have mental and physical ability to the sexual experince or scene do have a real destructive effects on childeren which have been studied But how did you come out whith the same destructive or let's say just destructive effetcs on children with religion practice, do you have any justification or just the pictures of the childeren who don't enjoy religious practice. I do agree with you that the religion practices are not the best place for childeren to enjoy and play but as a child they don't see all the contradictions that their reliogion (let's say Islam) has with the real world. for them it is just the time to be with their parents or if they are older (and don't like the practice) just becuse it is a discipline from thier parents.so they would hate doing it as they hate washing the dishes.( except the exetremes like the "Tabtabayi" 6 year old ? child who teaches Islamic subjects which I think is just like some parents who force their genius child to study younger than others. or school's rule in Iran for participation in Islamic events just as a political strategy). again, I don't say it doesn't have destructive effect at all because simlpy I don't know. I haven't seen any article which study the effect of underaged expose to religious practices. Another thing, Other religoions have this habbit of taking the child to religious events too, for beeing fair I think it would be great if you put some of their pictures too.If it is really as dangerous as you think all the catholic schools(which have catholic education service from kindergarten to high school) should vanish. OOps, I read my comment, I seem really harsh religion:) Comapring the underagede sextual experiences with kids religion practices are kind of shallow comparison. Exposing the child who doesn’t have mental and physical ability to the sexual experince or scene do have a real destructive effects on childeren which have been studied But how did you come out whith the same destructive or let’s say just destructive effetcs on children with religion practice, do you have any justification or just the pictures of the childeren who don’t enjoy religious practice.
I do agree with you that the religion practices are not the best place for childeren to enjoy and play but as a child they don’t see all the contradictions that their reliogion (let’s say Islam) has with the real world. for them it is just the time to be with their parents or if they are older (and don’t like the practice) just becuse it is a discipline from thier parents.so they would hate doing it as they hate washing the dishes.( except the exetremes like the “Tabtabayi” 6 year old ? child who teaches Islamic subjects which I think is just like some parents who force their genius child to study younger than others. or school’s rule in Iran for participation in Islamic events just as a political strategy).
again, I don’t say it doesn’t have destructive effect at all because simlpy I don’t know. I haven’t seen any article which study the effect of underaged expose to religious practices.
Another thing, Other religoions have this habbit of taking the child to religious events too, for beeing fair I think it would be great if you put some of their pictures too.If it is really as dangerous as you think all the catholic schools(which have catholic education service from kindergarten to high school) should vanish.

OOps, I read my comment, I seem really harsh religion:)

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