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		<title>By: Malagent</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-17565</link>
		<dc:creator>Malagent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kamangir,

I know this post was a while back but the recent event with Andrew Meyer brought the attention back up.

I've been studying tasers and I use one for my work as well. I've had one used on me twice. I'm posting videos about it on youtube that are very critical of the students and their reactions rather than the police.

First off, everyone seems to act like the tasers are dangerous, when in fact they are not. No matter how many deaths they try to correlate with tasers it has never been shown to be a cause of death - not one single time out of well more than 500,000 humans who have been tazed. The percentage of injuries and deaths that even occur around the same time as the taser use is drastically lower than any other use of force including just holding a subject with your arms.

Second, while being tazered does hurt, it is in no way severe and does not warrant the reaction given by the UCLA or UF student. I'm posting video evidence of that as well.

Third, Almost everyone who has been tasered is capable of moving withing a second or so of even a 10 - 15 second aplication. I have done this as well. Again, my videos show dozens of people standing right up less than a second after the application.

I'll leave it up to the legal system to determine the acceptable use of force in these two cases even though I have made up my mind. I feel that too many people consider only the students screaming when deciding what to think about the incidents or the tasers. It's not the proper way to make up ones minds.

All to often people automatically assume that if an arrest or police action is taken in, around, or during political event that it automatically has something to do with politics or freedom of speech. Much like the case of the UCLA student where people, even now, bring up religion nationality. At best it has to do with what is an acceptable use of force in the situation, nothing more.

As always Kamingir, thanks for posting a wide variety of info for me to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kamangir,</p>
<p>I know this post was a while back but the recent event with Andrew Meyer brought the attention back up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been studying tasers and I use one for my work as well. I&#8217;ve had one used on me twice. I&#8217;m posting videos about it on youtube that are very critical of the students and their reactions rather than the police.</p>
<p>First off, everyone seems to act like the tasers are dangerous, when in fact they are not. No matter how many deaths they try to correlate with tasers it has never been shown to be a cause of death - not one single time out of well more than 500,000 humans who have been tazed. The percentage of injuries and deaths that even occur around the same time as the taser use is drastically lower than any other use of force including just holding a subject with your arms.</p>
<p>Second, while being tazered does hurt, it is in no way severe and does not warrant the reaction given by the UCLA or UF student. I&#8217;m posting video evidence of that as well.</p>
<p>Third, Almost everyone who has been tasered is capable of moving withing a second or so of even a 10 - 15 second aplication. I have done this as well. Again, my videos show dozens of people standing right up less than a second after the application.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave it up to the legal system to determine the acceptable use of force in these two cases even though I have made up my mind. I feel that too many people consider only the students screaming when deciding what to think about the incidents or the tasers. It&#8217;s not the proper way to make up ones minds.</p>
<p>All to often people automatically assume that if an arrest or police action is taken in, around, or during political event that it automatically has something to do with politics or freedom of speech. Much like the case of the UCLA student where people, even now, bring up religion nationality. At best it has to do with what is an acceptable use of force in the situation, nothing more.</p>
<p>As always Kamingir, thanks for posting a wide variety of info for me to read.</p>
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		<title>By: kamangir</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8735</link>
		<dc:creator>kamangir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeyra,
 I will be more than happy. I think I have already added you to mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeyra,<br />
 I will be more than happy. I think I have already added you to mine.</p>
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		<title>By: kamangir</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8734</link>
		<dc:creator>kamangir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bucket,
 You are right, people have rights, either if they are graduate students or if they are the guy hanging out around 7/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bucket,<br />
 You are right, people have rights, either if they are graduate students or if they are the guy hanging out around 7/11.</p>
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		<title>By: homeyra</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8742</link>
		<dc:creator>homeyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brando I understand you point, but isn't all that a bit too extreme in a Library?
Kamangir, do you mind if I add you on my blogroll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brando I understand you point, but isn&#8217;t all that a bit too extreme in a Library?<br />
Kamangir, do you mind if I add you on my blogroll?</p>
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		<title>By: bucket</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8741</link>
		<dc:creator>bucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should read indignance not indiginence, like I said I never got the chance to go to college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should read indignance not indiginence, like I said I never got the chance to go to college.</p>
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		<title>By: bucket</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8740</link>
		<dc:creator>bucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit this issue bothers me, at least the amount of shock and anger and indiginence geared towards it does.  Your not the only blogger focusing on this issue I have seen it everywhere today.  I didn't know the man was Iranian tho, so I understand your particular interest.  

I didn't spend my post-high school years hanging out at the college library and because of it I know that when badged, armed men come asking for you to comply with their demands, that's a threat and if you don't comply be prepared for the next request which will be physical.  So the college students of America live a more sheltered life than I ever had the privilege of, that doesn't surprise me either, but where on earth did you think COPS got all their footage from?  Why all the shock and disgust when it happens at the university but it is fun entertainment when it happens to the worthless uneducated, laborer down at the 7/11?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit this issue bothers me, at least the amount of shock and anger and indiginence geared towards it does.  Your not the only blogger focusing on this issue I have seen it everywhere today.  I didn&#8217;t know the man was Iranian tho, so I understand your particular interest.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t spend my post-high school years hanging out at the college library and because of it I know that when badged, armed men come asking for you to comply with their demands, that&#8217;s a threat and if you don&#8217;t comply be prepared for the next request which will be physical.  So the college students of America live a more sheltered life than I ever had the privilege of, that doesn&#8217;t surprise me either, but where on earth did you think COPS got all their footage from?  Why all the shock and disgust when it happens at the university but it is fun entertainment when it happens to the worthless uneducated, laborer down at the 7/11?</p>
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		<title>By: kamangir</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8739</link>
		<dc:creator>kamangir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vilas,
 Do not relate this to Islam, please! I did not see the police asking him about his religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vilas,<br />
 Do not relate this to Islam, please! I did not see the police asking him about his religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Vilas</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8738</link>
		<dc:creator>Vilas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA. When a Iranian/Arab/etc is terrorized by the establishment, the headline is merely 'a student is...'

When an Iranian/Arab/etc commits a violent act, the headline is "Muslim terrorist..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA. When a Iranian/Arab/etc is terrorized by the establishment, the headline is merely &#8216;a student is&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>When an Iranian/Arab/etc commits a violent act, the headline is &#8220;Muslim terrorist&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kamangir</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8737</link>
		<dc:creator>kamangir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brando,
 I do not see as a "fun topic". But, any way, thanks for sharing your philosophical dilemma about a hypothetical bank rubbery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brando,<br />
 I do not see as a &#8220;fun topic&#8221;. But, any way, thanks for sharing your philosophical dilemma about a hypothetical bank rubbery.</p>
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		<title>By: brando</title>
		<link>http://kamangir.net/2006/11/16/more-news-2/#comment-8736</link>
		<dc:creator>brando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like a fun topic.

Here's something I noticed from the article.

Tabatabainejad yelled at the officers to "get off me." , and he was encouraging others around him to join in his resistiance.

The article also claimed that he he was tased because he forgot his card.

I didn't see the video, and I wasn't there, but I'd have to disagree with this statement.
â€œIt is absolutely illegal to threaten anyone who asks for a badge Ã¢â‚¬â€ thatâ€™s assault,â€

Asking for a badge number doesn't automaticly render you immune to police threats.  If it does, I'll guess I could go rob a bank, shouting for badge numbers, and it would be absolutely illegal for the police to threaten me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like a fun topic.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something I noticed from the article.</p>
<p>Tabatabainejad yelled at the officers to &#8220;get off me.&#8221; , and he was encouraging others around him to join in his resistiance.</p>
<p>The article also claimed that he he was tased because he forgot his card.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the video, and I wasn&#8217;t there, but I&#8217;d have to disagree with this statement.<br />
â€œIt is absolutely illegal to threaten anyone who asks for a badge Ã¢â‚¬â€ thatâ€™s assault,â€</p>
<p>Asking for a badge number doesn&#8217;t automaticly render you immune to police threats.  If it does, I&#8217;ll guess I could go rob a bank, shouting for badge numbers, and it would be absolutely illegal for the police to threaten me.</p>
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