Bahai’i Cemetery Destroyed
Posted by KamangirSep 23
“Hizballah is active and hates Bahai’is. “
A Bahai’i cemetery in Najaf-Abad, Isfahan, was bulldozed over on September 9th and 10th [Persian]. Reportedly, prior to the attack, thirty local Bahai’i families had received threats. More pictures in the photoblog.
Despicable. Very much of the same vein as Jewish graveyards vandalized by neo-Nazis in Europe, and just as revolting. What did the Bahai’i ever do to anyone, eh? Pray for world peace in an offensive manner?
A regrettable incident, sadly it seems to only add more hatred in a region already filled with it. It is worth saying however, that Hizb Allah may refer to the Qur’anic verse: “Ùان Øزب Ø§Ù„Ù„Û Ú¾Ù… “الغالبون (and surely the Party of God will be the victors) and not the Lebanese militia group.
Oh gosh.
Al Kindi, you either know nothing about IRI or are a troll…. or both.
Allow me to inform you that there are many Hizbullah on this Earth of ours. There is lebanese Hizbullah and there is iranian Hizbullah. Signs on Iranian bahai cementary talk about Iranian Hizbullah not about Qur’anic verse which in this case would not make sense.
Kamangir: You are exactly right.
How are you so sure of that?
Kamangir: Because I have lived in Iran for 25 years.
This is so sad. Many graves of bahai leaders have been descreated in the past 27 years. Please read some of the heartbreaking comments by Bahai’s from Iran on this thread in IRanian.com. Sorry, they are in Persian.
Bahai’s Access to Higher Education:
http://iranian.com/main/blog/nmilaninia/grant-bahai-s-access-higher-education
Kamangir: Thanks Serendip.
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Protest in NY:
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_267093358.html
CBS) NEW YORK Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in New York City to address the U.N. General Assemby Tuesday. He also was scheduled to hold a Q&A session with students and faculty at Columbia University. Controversy has followed President Ahmadinejad since he requested and was denied a visit to Ground Zero. Below find full coverage of his visit from CBS 2 HD News and wcbstv.com.
UP-TO-THE-MINUTE TRAFFIC INFORMATION
September 24, 2007
Protesters Out In Force At Columbia University (9/24/2007)
Protest At U.N. Ties Up Traffic (9/24/2007)
Students Flock To Web To Lash Out At Columbia (9/24/2007)
Ahmadinejad To Speak At Columbia U. Today (9/24/2007)
Protestors To Ahmadinejad: ‘Go To Hell’ (9/24/2007)
September 23, 2007
Angry Demonstrators Protest Ahmadinejad’s Visit (9/23/2007)
Iranian President’s Controversial Trip Underway (9/23/2007)
Anti-Ahmadinejad Protestors Gather At Columbia (9/23/2007)
Iranian President Arrives In New York City (9/23/2007)
Protests Against Ahmadinejad Visit To Begin Today (9/23/2007)
Columbia U. Torn Over Ahmadinejad Visit (9/23/2007)
September 22, 2007
Iran’s President Shows Force Before Landing In NYC (9/22/2007)
Ahmadinejad To Join Gallery Of Rogue NYC Visitors (9/22/2007)
September 21, 2007
Iranian Premier’s Speech Sparks Controversy (9/21/2007)
Ahmadinejad To Speak At Columbia (9/21/2007)
September 20, 2007
Holocaust Survivor: Request Is Slap In The Face (9/20/2007)
Pres. Ahmadinejad Responds To Controversy (9/20/2007)
Iranian President’s Ground Zero Request Denied (9/20/2007)
NYPD Says No To Ahmadinejad (9/20/2007)
Bush ‘Understands’ Denying Ahmadinejad’s Request (9/20/2007)
Ahmadinejad Request To Visit Ground Zero Denied (9/20/2007)
September 19, 2007
Iranian President Requests To Visit Ground Zero (9/19/2007)
Ahmadinejad Requests To Visit Ground Zero (9/19/2007)
2006 Visit
CBS 2 Exclusive: Ahmadinejad Meets With Orthodox (9/21/2006)
Iranian President Says U.N. System Must Change (9/21/2006)
Ahmadinejad: U.S. Is The True Nuclear Threat (9/19/2006)
Jewish Leaders Furious Ahmadinejad Welcome At U.N. (9/19/2006)
Why Is Ahmadinejad Allowed To Enter The U.S.? (9/19/2006)
Sorry Kaman & Crew, you aren’t convincing me with your empty statements. You have offered no conclusive proof at all. “I lived in Iran” does not offer any proof to your statements. So sorry, try again!
Al-Kindi,
You are right that the Qur’an uses the phrase Øزب الله
However, where in the Qur’an does it mention Baha’is and where does it say that the ‘party of God’ hates Baha’is? It’s obvious the graffiti in the above picture refers to the militant Hezbollah organization and not the ‘party of God’ of the Qur’an. Any denial of this glaring fact is willful ignorance on your part.
History of Persecution of Bahai’s in Iran:
http://www.bahai.com/thebahais/pg59.htm
Matthew,
Thanks for actually taking the time to think out an answer. You don’t come off as an Islamophobic ignoramus like the rest of these fools do. Remember, this is just graffiti which could have been written by anyone. Hizbullah is a current ‘buzzword’, they could have just as easily put “Muslims”, “As-Sabirun”, “Al-Muminun”, anything really – we can’t attribute this act to Hizbullah just because of some graffiti.
Serendip, I find it amusing you are standing up for the Bahai religion, one founded in an Islamic country with many teachings similar to Islam, when you have made scathing statements about Islam and Muslims in the past “Islam is a death cult” like you said.
al-kindi: I’m of no significance to approve of disapprove of any religion (and it shouldn’t matter what I believe or don’t believe) but I do believe khomeini’s version of Shi’a religion is a death cult.
I think it is highly inappropriate to name anyone’s religious beliefs as anything hateful. Wordly events are not prescribed in religious books.
Al-Kindi, you assume that religious leaders do no wrong, and that none of them twist the religion out of shape.
The folks who drank poison in Guyana were religious. There are people who believe in Scientology, and so on. In Muslim regions, you have dozens of Islamist groups claiming that Shari’a, or the restoration of the Caliphate, or endlessly saying that *you* must fight the Infidel, that suicide-bombing is not a murderous deed, but the path to salvation.
The Muslim Brotherhood, the Red Mosque in Pakistan, the scores of Al-Qaeda affiliate groups across the Sunni world, Hezbollah’s politicized Islam in Lebanon, which in turn takes its drive from Khomeini’s calls for Shari’a and Death to the Infidel.
Are these not Muslims? Should we not treat them as such? And if not, why? Should we treat these people as those who practice a different Islam? A perverted Islam? But they still believe, Al-Kindi! This is still their religion.
And it would be best for other Muslims to seperate themselves from these groups, openly and publicly, instead of trying to justify them and ignore their evil because they are “Muslim”. As long as you do that self-denial treatment, Islam will be treated as one cancerous whole. In Egypt, the Grand Mufti says that suicide-bombing against Israelis is “just”. He also said that re-virginification operations were allowed. Another Imam there issued a fatwa saying that if someone’s wife breastfeeds an adult man, he is then part of their family. I can go on and on and on…
Islam is in many ways a beatiful faith, and back when Christianity was bent on self-destructive warfare, Islam was a source great cultural and spiritual growth. But this was over eight centuries ago. Today… Today I’d advice you to try and save what you can of your faith, before it is hijacked and politicized completely.
correction: The Breastfeeding Fatwa comes from Algeria.
Al kinidi: Define religious beliefs for Us? Where did those religious beliefs come from? In your case, I guess from Khomeini???
Religious belief refers to a faith or creed concerning the divine. I hope you undertake a serious study of all world religions, especially those you label as “death cults” – if you read a bit more between the lines you may see a bit more than words on paper and come to appreciate the religion of Islam fully. I think you will enjoy this read, titled ‘God is a metaphor’: http://www.chowk.com/articles/11810
The article was good, though I believe that the author goes too far into the abstract with his definitions. His personal beliefs shine through a bit too often, thus clouding what started as a good set of arguments.
Life, religion, and beliefs are much more complex. Religion is not merely personal belief, but also a group of like-minded people who infuence each other, and the world around them. This institution has become increasingly radicalized and politicized in Islam, which destroys the personal aspects of belief.
And this destruction is spreading, and expanding outwards.
Al-Kindi, how much excuse do you need to harm someone who doesn’t agree with you? What is your “tolerable” amount of “intolerance”?
Do not confuse Islamophobia, the “fear” of Islam with anti-fascism, the opposition to the destruction and suppression of individual freedoms.
Al-kinid: I have studied almost all major religions and I’m still not done. Tell me, do you think Khomeini’s version of Shia represents the shia Islam?
Al Kindi
Who do you call fools and religious ignoramuses? Do you also include in your description the author of this blog? If you do, why do you write on the blog of “a fool and religious ignoramus”? And if you don’t why do you insult others?
It seems to me that in your posts one can see a definite signs of what in psychology is called “denial” and “projection.”
Think on it.
>> Al-Kindi, how much excuse do you need to harm someone who doesn’t agree with you?
>> What is your “tolerable†amount of “intolerance�
The Qur’an says very specifically:
IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE DISPENSER OF GRACE:
(1) SAY: “O you who deny the truth!
(2) “I do not worship that which you worship,
(3) and neither do you worship that which I worship! 1
(4) “And I will not worship ~hat which you have [ever] worshipped,
(5) and neither will you [ever] worship that which I worship.
(6) Unto you, your moral law, and unto me, mine !”
Those from different religious communities and even declared opponents of Islam are to be tolerated.
>> Al-kinid: I have studied almost all major religions and I’m still not done.
>> Tell me, do you think Khomeini’s version of Shia represents the shia Islam?
Kindi* — I am not familiar with Khomeini’s version of Shia Islam, perhaps you could link me to an authentic source and I would be very happy to learn more about it.
Al-Kindi,
“Those from different religious communities and even declared opponents of Islam are to be tolerated.”
Those from different ^Abrahamic, monotheistic^ communities are to be tolerated, and even then must submit to second-class citizenship and pay a tax to maintain the right of their religious communities to exist (jizya).
Al Kindi
Qu’ran also say specifically:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
>>Those from different ^Abrahamic, monotheistic^ communities are to be tolerated, and even then must submit to second-class citizenship and pay a tax to maintain the right of their religious communities to exist (jizya).
In history books, yes. In practice, no. I have more friends belonging to religious communities which are non-Abrahamic than Muslim-Christian or Jewish friends.
Guys, you should stop looking at Islam as some giant country that wants to tax non-Muslims. Not every Muslim believes in or is working for the restoration of the caliphate, not every Muslim is the Shah/Caliph/etc… start viewing Islam as something that is simply in the hearts and minds of billions of people.
Al-Kindi,
Do Christians and Jews in the Islamic Republic have to pay jizya?
What does every Muslim believe in if not a restoration of the Caliphate?
What’s THE Islam that’s “simply in the hearts and minds of billions of people?”
Didn’t even Muhammad say that there will be 73 sects in Islam, 72 which end up in Hell and only one in Heaven (reported by Abu Hurayra, Anis bin Malik, and (I think) Hudhaifa bin al-Yaman?
سورة الكاÙرون – سورة 109
بسم الله الرØمن الرØيم
1.
Ù‚Ùلْ يَا أَيّÙهَا الْكَاÙÙرÙونَ
2.
لَا أَعْبÙد٠مَا تَعْبÙدÙونَ
3.
وَلَا أَنتÙمْ عَابÙدÙونَ مَا أَعْبÙدÙ
4.
وَلَا أَنَا عَابÙدٌ مَّا عَبَدتّÙمْ
5.
وَلَا أَنتÙمْ عَابÙدÙونَ مَا أَعْبÙدÙ
6.
Ù„ÙŽÙƒÙمْ دÙينÙÙƒÙمْ ÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙÙŠÙŽ دÙينÙ
:)
Thanks for the non-answer machood–I assume you can’t provide a rational or coherent response.
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