Please forgive us, Iranians, for the foolish behavior of a few flag-burning, slur-shouting citizens of my country. Although having occupied the political power in my country, they do not represent me and many other Iranians.
See more pictures of the rallies for celebrating the anniversary of the hostagetaking at the American embassy in Tehran in the photoblog.
Update: The New American Citizen accepts the apology.
….and organizations such as the Democratic Party and moveon.org want us to think that Iran isn’t a threat to the United States and Israel. Something needs to be done before people like this get hold of a nuclear weapon.
Comment by Chris — November 4, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Archer
I hope they do not represent majority of Iranians, I really do, but there are so many of them.
And I want to believe you but sometimes I wonder…… do they not believe in what they are doing, do they, really?
Comment by ella — November 5, 2007 @ 3:45 am
Well as an Iranian citizen I can assure you people out there that most people in Iran, I really mean the majority, do (did) not support the actions were taken yesterday.
Yesterday’s proceedings were ignored completely by lots of Iranians and they were looked down as just a game played by school kids. Normally the regime uses (forces) the schoold kids to join such ralleis in order to show there is a big support for its actions. Also, the regime has a “paid-crowd” on their payroll who are used for instances like this.
I can again assure the world that nearly all the nation is anti-regime and cannot wait to see the back of these dictators as soon as possible – but and this is a big but – NO ONE would support America going to war with Iran – if America becomes daft enough to use force against Iran EVEN those are opposed to the IRI will fight for their countries and that would prolong the fall of IRI for sure.
Bush and the west must think twice before they even think of starting a war against Iran, bacause if they did, THE WORLD as a whole will suffer greatly.
Comment by Hamid — November 5, 2007 @ 5:51 am
*sigh* More hate parades. Such expressions never caused anything but harm.
I understand how you feel, Kaman, especially as these guys claim rather openly to represent you, while being the very opposite of public representation. but… For all intents and purposes, they do. De facto, they do represent you, they simply don’t bother asking for your opinion on the matter.
They rule your country, man. It’s not their numbers that matter, it’s what they can do with the sheer resources at their disposal.
Comment by Roman Kalik — November 5, 2007 @ 6:17 am
At this juncture in history, the West expects nothing less from sharia occupied countries.
Comment by Tom — November 5, 2007 @ 9:26 am
[...] Kamangir apologizes on behalf of ordinary Iranian citizens because of protesters celebrating the 28th anniversary of the takeover of U.S. Embassy in Tehran. [...]
Pingback by The New American Citizen - To Arash Kamangir: Apology Accepted — November 5, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Shoma Mosalmoonhaye [...] Terrorist o adamkosh [...] raftid Canada.
Bargardid hamoon beheshte eslami.
Hamin shoma Moslamoonhaye [...] boodid keh in nang ro bar Iran avardid.
Hamin shoma mosalmoonha hastid keh az oon Arab [...] pirovi mikonid va esamsh ra gozashtid deen. [...]. [...]
Hamin shoma mosalmoonha hastid keh Irane ma ra keh gahvarehye tam’madon hast kardid kanoone terrorism.
Shoma mosalmoonha [...] keh Iran ra nabood karid hala angizehye nabood kardan qarb ro darid keh albatteh [...].
Translation: You are a [...] Muslim.
Kamangir: Sir, do you even know me?
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 10:34 am
A lot of masked faces in that crowd…reminds me of the Klan.
Comment by Matthew — November 5, 2007 @ 11:15 am
No, the correct abridged translation is that you are a Mo-slime and Mo-slime Iranians along with their erstwhile Marxist cohorts are directly responsible for this obscenity.
Deceit and half-truth is a hallmark of the Mo-slime psyche.
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am
And no I don’t know you personally any more than I know Ahmadi’Nezhad or Khameniei personally.
Kamangir: Then, how do you accuse me of being a “Terrorist Muslim”?
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 11:20 am
Sigh….. Apology accepted.
Garduneh? Where’s your manners? If you can’t support those who want to be friends then who can you support? The man offers his sincere apology, you could at least be civil.
Kamangir: Thanks.
Comment by Darth Odie — November 5, 2007 @ 11:48 am
I coined the term mu-slime to criticize those tho who hide their murders behind Islamic rhetoric. Not to abuse Muslims. In my opinion terrorists are not Muslims they are Muslimes.
Actually a commenter from Turkey using a translator gave it to me.
My apologies for Garduneh. Garduneh? has a every reason to be angry, Just cant seem to turn it off at times.
Kamangir: No my friend. You shouldn’t be apologizing for Garduneh. He/She is an Iranian because he/she knows Persian. I guess he/she is just a very angry Iranian looking for someone to blame. Any way, thanks for your support. :)
Comment by Darth Odie — November 5, 2007 @ 11:53 am
Without skis in hand masks usually translate to criminal activity in the West. And all of the signs translate to: Lunatic. Add to that videos of Muslims terrorizing, torturing, and beheading others and words like Barbarian and Medieval come to mind. If Western populations mimicked their demonstrations or produced films using actors doing exactly the same things as the videos Muslims have produced you can be sure they would be outraged. These are photos of the enemies of all Muslims.
Comment by JAS — November 5, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Dear Darth Odie,
While I respect your wish for finding friends and allies within the Islamic world; I must point out that essentially there is no such thing. One can not afford to be credulous when dealing with Muslims.
And I’m not looking for someone to blame; I know precisely who is responsible because I was there and I saw the birth of the Islamic Republic.
I was there when Iranian Muslims used broken bottles to disfigure women who refused to wear the veil.
I have seen their kind burn down peoples homes because they were of a different sect… and numerous other crimes.
I know their kind up close and personal.
I don’t believe this guy Kamangir is being sincere.
For one thing almost all of Iranian students in western universities are sponsored by the Mullahcracy; a sponsorship which they could not have gotten without proving themselves “ideologically pure” [Salahy'yatte Aqidehii]
I don’t believe this guy wants the peaceful removal of the Mullahs. I think he reckons that the only way the Mullahcracy can be dislodged is by Military Intervention of the allies and this is why he is against military action against the Mullahcracy.
Kamangir:
financially I am supported by a scientific scholarship in a communications lab. in Canada.
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Furthermore, I believe he’s using University of Waterloo computing facilities to host this website. This is, in my opinion, tantamount to thievery.
As far as I’m concerned this is a bit like Hizbullah hijacking websites in Montreal!?!?!!?!
Here’s the info from DNSstuff
Domain Name………. kamangir.net
Creation Date…….. 2007-02-26
Registration Date…. 2007-02-26
Expiry Date………. 2009-02-26
Organisation Name…. Arash Kamangir
Organisation Address. University of Waterloo
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Waterloo
Organisation Address. N2l3G1
Organisation Address. Ontario
Organisation Address. CANADA
Admin Name……….. Arash Kamangir
Admin Address…….. University of Waterloo
Admin Address……..
Admin Address…….. Waterloo
Admin Address…….. N2l3G1
Admin Address…….. Ontario
Admin Address…….. CANADA
Admin Email………. ************@yahoo.ca
Admin Phone………. +1.5198884567
Admin Fax…………
Tech Name………… YahooDomains TechContact
Tech Address……… 701 First Ave.
Tech Address………
Tech Address……… Sunnyvale
Tech Address……… 94089
Tech Address……… CA
Tech Address……… UNITED STATES
Tech Email……….. ***********@YAHOO-INC.COM
Tech Phone……….. +1.6198813096
Tech Fax………….
Name Server………. ns1.bluehost.com
Name Server………. ns2.bluehost.com
Kamangir: I am in University of Manitoba, and not in University of Waterloo. I used fake information because I tried to keep my real identity secret. If you look at the DNS information of my blog, it is ns2.bluehost.com, which means it is hosted in Bluehost. I pay about $100 for the hosting. Why are you so mad at me?
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
garduneh, you are justifiably insane. you’re so awful I’m not sure you aren’t some kind of plant.
Comment by James — November 5, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Call me crazy but I find covered faces comforting.
They are hiding because they are afraid even in their own country.
Comment by leo — November 5, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
“I pay about $100 for the hosting.”
If it is annual fee you are fine.
If it is monthly fee you should probably look for an alternative.
Kamangir: Is it the annual fee.
Comment by leo — November 5, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Kamangir,
I am mad at all Muslim Iranians including you because
your ilk are most directly responsible for all the dishonour that the Islamic Republic has brought on my Iran.
You brought this regime to power.
You are keeping it in power.
You are the ones who took over the American Embassy contrary to all manner of decency or law or humanity.
You are the ones who attacked Marine base in Beirut.
You are the ones who made the name of Iran synonymous with terrorism.
You Muslim Iranians are the ones who have traded of Iran’s sovereignty over 37% of the Caspian sea in exchange for nuclear technology from the Russians.
You are ones who have tried relentlessly for the past 1400 years to erase every trace of our identity even our language.
And I dislike your ilk for lacking the moral or mental capacity to assume responsibility even for one of the countless crimes that you’ve committed.
Every sorrow that has afflicted the Iranian nation is directly traceable to Islam. Your ilk are, by supporting this foreign barbaric misogynistic and imposed ideology, accomplices all of its crimes.
Islam would have never power if it did not have followers. Followers like you!
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Garduneh:
I know Kamangir personally (same school). When revolution happened he was not born and he was a kid when Iran was in war. How in the world can he be responsible for the revolution? Time has changed and in recent years western universities give scholarships to brilliant Iranian young students (mostly in engineering and science). They are mostly against the Iranian regime and they have all seen “18 Tir”. Most of them just studied hard to escape the country. Iranian opposition should find this new ally instead of making accusations that are deserving for the students who came from Iran around 15 20 years ago and were sponsored by Iranian government. I think you really should apologize to Kamangir.
Kamangir: Thank you Ali.
Comment by Ali — November 5, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Leo…I just had to laugh. The KKK members covered their faces because they did not want the U.S. government or other citizens to identify them. Whereas in the Middle East some goverments are sponsoring terrorist groups. What would you think if some U.S., Canadian, British, etc. political party members started to wear masks in public demonstrations? Outside my comfort zone to be sure!
Comment by JAS — November 5, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
I am an Iranian Journalist, live in Iran. And i completely agree with “down with Fascist Israel”. Zionists are not allowed to kick a nation out from their homeland and occupy it.
It is like somebody enters to your home and kicks you out wildly. It seems you even shake hand with him and say a warm “thank you”! Yeah?!
Is it really that much important for you to be “acceptable” with some westerners?! Really it gives you pride or something?
I dont know you and other iranians who live peacefully in the west what really obtain by showing Iranians, your nation as a wild nation like this. You must know that westerner governments never help you.
Even when there be a war against Iran, you and others dont care really.. Who stay front of enemies are those people who live in Iran. Not kinds of you! ;)
Kamangir: Nice to meet you shahrzad. Would you please let me know in which part I did the “showing Iranians, your nation as a wild nation like this”?
Comment by Shahrzad — November 5, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
You just don’t get it do you?
Until the Iranian acknowledge that Islam itself is the problem not merely the Islamic Republic they don’t deserve to be free…ever!
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Fear of the unknown is what politicians sometimes incite. But many now understand that the enemy is within Islam and that Muslims are the most frequent victims. As it turns out, the acts of inciting fear and then being caused to fear one another within their sovereign states is a lose-lose proposition. Sectarianism is a self-inflicted disease and Muslims have managed to maintain the affliction and suffering for centuries. Witness: Iraq. With billions in aide the corrupt depraved morons cannot keep a sewage plant up and running or improve their power grid but somehow have ample time to build torture rooms, attack and murder one another, and toss dozens of heads into ditches.
Garduneh Mehr: Unfair to blame all Muslims for the acts of some, but without question their greatest enemy is within.
Comment by JAS — November 5, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Garduneh,
This sentence is exactly in the about page of this website: “I am an agnostic”. So again, regarding God and Islam he has similar beliefs to you. How did you conclude he is supporting Islam? Have you seen so many posts in his website that convey this idea “Islam itself is the problem not merely the Islamic Republic”? Dear Garduneh, unfortunately this is the mistake that most of the Iranian old opposition groups are making. They close their eyes and open their mouth. Regarding the stands on issues, I am absolutely positive that old Iranian opposition can find common ground with the new educated Iranian generation very easily. This is your behavior not your ideas that are not welcoming. New Iranian generation has felt the harm of Islam with bones and meet! They have lived under Islamic rule for 30 years and they much better understand what Islam is than you. In this regard, they have a much deeper knowledge about Islam than your generation. In addition, lots of their parents were against the revolution but did not have a chance to escape the country like you to have a comfortable life. However, your generation and old opposition which were the most educated Iranians in their era are still making accusations to these young Iranians. The result is even when there is a potential friend with the same ideas on Islam you insanely get mad at him and blame him on ideas that do not belong to him. I understand that Islamic regime has made your life very difficult but this is not the way to talk to an innocent smart Iranian student. This is exactly what the Islamic regime wants. And most sadly it has been successful so far.
Comment by Ali — November 5, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
JAS,
What you say is largely true, but please look at comment #22 above from a Muslim Iranian and judge whether or not what I’ve said is warranted.
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
Garduneh…Key word: Zionist
I have no use for the word. Many so-called journalists are sectarian propagandist bigots. He fits under the afflicted group.
Comment by JAS — November 5, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Kamangir,
Shahrzad’s comment #22 above is nothing but a direct consequence of the pseudo-religion that you are both votaries of.
The founder of your pseudo-religion massacred the Jews of beni-qoray’zeh and sold their women and children into slavery and of course looted their property. Such barbarities are the very antithesis of the culture of the land of Koo’rosh who rescued the Jews from Babylon.
You can not be a Muslim and an Iranian. If you say you can, then you are either a fool a full of deceit, ie practising your Taqiy’yah and Kit’maan.
Kamangir: Sir, not that being a Muslim is anything anyone should be ashamed of, but, nevertheless, I am not a Muslim. Have you even read the about page in this blog before making such judgments?
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Then for God’s sake why do you decorate your website with that ugly repugnant Islamo-Arab greeting of “Salam”?
Is it because you never learnt the pre-Islamic greeting of “Dorood”?
Chenankeh, pedaraane ma migoftand “ba Dorood’e Irani”
And they have everything to be ashamed of their pseudo-religion: The pictures you have here are proof enough!
And if you really are as you say you are, then you might appreciate this:
آن روز بر دلم در معنا گشوده شد
كز ساكنين درگه پير Ù…Ùغان Ø´Ùدم
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 5, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Garduneh Mehr,
I wonder how you write a poem by Hafiz so. That’s not from “pre-islamic” era!! You better live in your pre-islamic era. Your history stops there, stay there plz. Hafiz was a muslim as well and under influence of Islamic thoughts..
Comment by Shahrzad — November 6, 2007 @ 2:25 am
Arash, The fotos you choose, completely shows Iranians as a wild nation. Who always fight at each other, always have war.. Every where kind of events can happen. That’s not just for Iran..
You dont need to effort so much here. Kind of entries you write usually are found in westerner news agencies. So You just try in vain!!
You do all of this effort, instead of showing the beauty of Iranian culture.
I as an Iranian dont apologize from everyone. Better you have alittle bit self confidance about your nationality, Boy!
Kamangir: This is not about confidence, this is about honesty. Do we not burn flags in Iran? Do we not have a high rate of youth addiction?
Comment by Shahrzad — November 6, 2007 @ 2:36 am
shahrzad, that “confidance about your nationality” is what the islamic republic uses to keep iran, one of the most resource rich countries on the planet in poverty w/ almost no civil rights in a perpetual state of hatred.
Comment by James — November 6, 2007 @ 2:49 am
Shahrzad
Do you really think that pre-Islamic influences can be erased from Iran?
You all celebrate holidays which have roots in jahiliya, and IRI can not stop Iranians from celebrating them, it tries but it fails.
You profess pre-islamic era as something gone and done, no relation to Islamic Republic of today, So why majority of Iranians who saw or heard about the movie “300″ were so angry when Iranians from Xerxes empire were called “barbarians”? After all that was pre-history, the Darius and Xerxes empire was not an Islamic empire, and non-islamic people are, supposedly, mired in ignorance. Therefore why iranians were angry considering that jahiliya time does not have any connection with Islam or iranians?
Your poets may be muslims, but what was Ferdowsi ShÄhnÄmeh about? Many of your poets wrote poems about wine. And don’t tell me that wine was a metaphor for “higher” things. For some it was a metaphor for some it was not, in fact some liked to drink.
Garduneh Mehr
Want it or not, majority of Iranians are muslims. I think that religion is as good (or bad) as the majority of its believers. Unfortunately many believers in Islam want to turn the clock back thinking it would solve all their problems…………….and that is a big trouble for the rest of us, muslims or non-muslims.
As for the “Salam” it is no better or worse than “Shalom”. Not all things arabic are bad, there are some exceptions to the rule ;-)
Kamangir: :)
Comment by ella — November 6, 2007 @ 3:39 am
Garduneh Mehr, instead of hating all Muslims and Islam in general, did it ever enter your head that not all Muslims approve of the current state of affairs in Iran? Instead of calling Islam and Muslims evil, convince Muslims that that their religion has been hijacked by leaders with a political agenda, and that this shouldn’t be the case.
Islam by its definition is not evil, man, nor is Christianity (and I say that as someone whose people have been brutally massacred, time and time again, by people who saw themselves as devout Christians, for many centuries), but people will use any institution they can to gain power and justify hatred.
Shahrzad,
I am an Iranian Journalist, live in Iran. And i completely agree with “down with Fascist Israelâ€. Zionists are not allowed to kick a nation out from their homeland and occupy it.
It is like somebody enters to your home and kicks you out wildly. It seems you even shake hand with him and say a warm “thank youâ€! Yeah?!
Is it really that much important for you to be “acceptable†with some westerners?! Really it gives you pride or something?
That’s nice. Did you bother with reading some actual history before saying that, or do you simply say that because that is what you were taught in your school?
Allow me to give you a short summary. Jews wanted to rebuild their old homeland of Israel after being treated like dung (at best) in every single country that they lived in. The Ottoman province of Palestine (which was *not* a nation) was where the old country of Israel was once located. The land was largely empty.
Years passed, Jews immigrated, started building a foundation for a new country, British conquered the region… Arab nationalism rising in the region, many people did not want to live in a country founded by Jews but to join one of the new Arab countries nearby (notably Syria) instead. In 1948, after the British largely left the region, the UN proposed a two-state solution for the old Province of Palestine. Two countries, one founded on the principles of Arab national aspirations, the other founded on the principles of Jewish national aspirations. The Jews accepted the offer, the Arabs did not.
The Jews declared independence anyway. A great big war (invading armies from all nearby Arab countries. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, to name a few) came over to “liberate” the place (read: slaughter the Jews if they refuse to submit). Vast population of Palestinian Arabs escaped to Arab-controlled areas for the duration of the war (with the encouragement of the invaders, so as to not cause overt harm to Arab populace).
Only… the Jews won. Without an air-force, without tanks, and with little to no weapons to speak of. But, you see, the Jews had nowhere left to run. So the Jews won, and the refugees remained refugees, because the Jews, you see, didn’t have much of an interest of letting in a very large and very hostile population, and nor were the Arab states inclined to let that many refugees go back in the first place.
And so, the Palestinians have been used as a political battering ram by Arab dictatorships ever since, recently picked up by the Islamic Republic of Iran to garner Arab support. The End.
Comment by Roman Kalik — November 6, 2007 @ 4:26 am
Ella,
I never said that we should ignore our great history. But as you said this mr/mrs/miss must understand that “now” majority of Iranians are Muslims. That’s part of their daily life, their thoughts, their culture and nobody can ignore it!!
Roman Kalik,
As long as part of my relitives are Palestinians, i know history of palestine better than you! Your answer was not a logical analysis. What i mentioned above, was not a review to history that you copy paste here for me. So i analyse for you.
I never said that “Palestinian†Jews have no right to live in Palestine. That’s their country as long as palestinians’ counrty.
An Indian muslim can not say Iran is his country, and Indian zoroastrians can no never say Iran should give back to them, just like an Iranian turk who can not say Turkey is his historical country. So a polish or south african jew can “NOT†say palestine is his country. They dont have any right to throw palestinians out their country of origin, murder them or force them to immigrate from their homeland.
The time of 1946, there were less than 10% jews in land of Palestine. So many Palestinian refugees live in other countries. But they always call themselves Palestinian. They exist, and want their country back to them. No one can ignore them..
It should be a FREE election in Palestine, and all palestinians come back to their country.
Religion doesnt make nationality for people.
I am not anti jew. I have many friends among jews. I completely separate Judaism from Zionism.
Among my friends, there are Iranian jews who came back to Iran. For they think there is many clash-cultures in Israel. Bcs Nationalities are different and it makes much problem. They say Eastern Jews are not happy with Israel as much as westerners, for power is all in hand of Western zionists. Mean again it is not a country for all jews! (i must mention that Eastern jews are the most religious jews in the world)
I give you a site that you see how Israelis hijacked Jewsih religion and how they treat even with jews!!
http://www.israelversusjudaism.org/
May someday some strangers come and take your homeland. Then i want to see if you again say that “anyway, they won. The End”??
Comment by Shahrzad — November 6, 2007 @ 5:27 am
And Again @ Ella,
You should pass some courses in Farsi language and literature, and also theosophy, Then you get meaning of wine in poems! I really advice you to do it..
Kamangir: I guess I need to take a few courses as well.
Comment by Shahrzad — November 6, 2007 @ 5:31 am
As long as part of my relitives are Palestinians, i know history of palestine better than you! Your answer was not a logical analysis. What i mentioned above, was not a review to history that you copy paste here for me. So i analyse for you.
I did not copy and paste a single word, with the exception of quoting your own words.
An Indian muslim can not say Iran is his country, and Indian zoroastrians can no never say Iran should give back to them, just like an Iranian turk who can not say Turkey is his historical country. So a polish or south african jew can “NOT†say palestine is his country. They dont have any right to throw palestinians out their country of origin, murder them or force them to immigrate from their homeland.
The time of 1946, there were less than 10% jews in land of Palestine. So many Palestinian refugees live in other countries. But they always call themselves Palestinian. They exist, and want their country back to them. No one can ignore them..
It should be a FREE election in Palestine, and all palestinians come back to their country.
Religion doesnt make nationality for people.
Congratulations! You have singularly failed to understand what it means to be Jewish. “Judaism” is a religion, and “Jews” are the Jewish people. Jews are a religious group, a cultural group, a national group, and (to some extent) an ethnic group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
Read the article before you speak with such a degree of certainty about what being Jewish means. And you seem to have failed to realize just why we came here when we finally had enough of being the collective kicking dummy of the world. Hint: The fact that we had a country here, and have yearned to return here for two millenia, may have had something to do with it.
As for “driving people out”, I seem to remember that the Jews accepted the UN’s two-state solution. Both states were meant to house both Jews and Arabs, with the Jewish state serving as a national home and refuge for Jews worldwide. Of course, you will fail to comprehend this simple solution for as long as you fail to comprehend what it means to have been truly and violently expelled from your country (2000 years ago, with the majority of the population massacred by the Roman Empire), and yearning to return to a semi-mythical homeland without having the ability to do so.
Well, about 120 years ago, we weren’t left with too many choices.
Again, you fail to comprehend the inherent fact: There was room here for two nations, and no one should have been displaced or forced out. And until both peoples realize that there are indeed *two* separate nations here and that both should exist, then there will be nowhere for the Palestinian refugees to return to.
I am not anti jew. I have many friends among jews. I completely separate Judaism from Zionism.
Among my friends, there are Iranian jews who came back to Iran. For they think there is many clash-cultures in Israel. Bcs Nationalities are different and it makes much problem. They say Eastern Jews are not happy with Israel as much as westerners, for power is all in hand of Western zionists. Mean again it is not a country for all jews! (i must mention that Eastern jews are the most religious jews in the world)
I give you a site that you see how Israelis hijacked Jewsih religion and how they treat even with jews!!
That’s nice of you. The thing is, I know scores of Iranian Jews who live here, as the largest population of Persian Jews is here in Israel, and a hefty part of the government in recent history is of Iranian origin. The former President Moshe Katzav is Iranian, the current Minister of Transportation Shaul Mofaz (who also served as the Minister of Defense on several occasions, and was the Commander in Chief of the Israeli military before that) is of Iranian origin.
And please, don’t give me links of Neturei-Karta propaganda sites. Especially when the most they can come up with in terms of comparing the Israeli police to Nazis (and really, the comparison is simply pathetic in its idiocy and hate-mongering) is protests over a 2000 year-old burital-site that was eventually transferred to a modern-day graveyard. I mean, comparing Zyklon B death gas to tear gas? Are you kidding me? I don’t plan reading the websites of fanatical madmen in the near future, than you kindly. They don’t represent me (a deeply religious man) or the religious Jewish community of Israel in general in any way, and there’s a reason for the de-facto excommunication of many of Neturei-Karta’s members throughout the Jewish communities of the world.
Oh, and the Jewish population in the British Mandate of Palestine in 1946? Over 630,000. That’s about a third of the total population of the Mandate west of the Jordan river (1.8 million to 2 million), including Bedouin nomads.
Again, two countries. This is a fairly simple formula. TWO countries. It’s when people think that only Muslims have a right to have countries in the Middle-East (or Arabs, in the case of pan-Arabism) that the trouble starts.
Please, check your facts or forever hold your silence. So far you, with your many “Iranian Jewish friends who came back from Israel”, sound like little more than what one might expect from a state-funded propaganda purveyor.
Comment by Roman Kalik — November 6, 2007 @ 6:40 am
gosh!
:|
Comment by Selma (From Tehran, with love) — November 6, 2007 @ 8:13 am
A bit off topic but I think Iranian Islamist should care more about Arab-Iranians than constantly exploit Palestinian cause for their own political reasons.
IRAN: Human Rights Violations
Akhbar Rooz: Eight Arab-Iranians are to be executed. Among them is Faleh Abdullah al-Mansouri, a Dutch national and UNHCR-registered refugee was deported to Iran by the Syrian authorities in May 2006. Al-Mansouri is currently being tortured in Section 209, a notorious prison run by the Ministry of Intelligence. He was sentenced to death while in exile and is likely to be executed in Iran. Three more are sentenced to life. One of them is Hamzeh Savari who was arrested at the age of eighteen and two of his brothers were executed last year.
http://zaneirani.blogspot.com/
Comment by serendip — November 6, 2007 @ 9:02 am
Shahrzad and other assorted Mo-slime [...],
You Mo-slimes are nothing more than [...] whose very existence [...].
One of these days the Americans are going to run out of patience and nuke your [...] kind to extinction.
As for my part, I’m a scientist employed in defence industry and I get paid to enhance and advance some of the weapon systems used by allied armies to turn your brethren into spots of grease on the floor.
F**k Islam and everyone who follows it
Kamangir: You are frank and I like it. I do research as well. But I do not work on weapons. I try to engage people in discussion. That does not lead to “spots of grease on the floor”.
Comment by Garduneh Mehr — November 6, 2007 @ 9:09 am
Garduneh, will you just shut up? The world would be a better place without hate-driven assholes like you, which the Middle-East sadly does not lack.
Comment by Roman Kalik — November 6, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Garduneh apparently took the blue pill…”You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe.”
It’s guys like him that hurt any peaceful and intelligent opposition to political Islam. Lumping all Muslims together as enemies is dangerous…more dangerous than believing all Muslims are innocent.
Be gone. You are a virus. You are an empty head full of vitriol with a big mouth and loose lips. People like you live like bottom feeders; sustenance sought in the waste of higher creatures.
Kamangir: I agree.
Comment by Tom — November 6, 2007 @ 10:31 am
There seem to be more women and children in the demonstrations. I think they are being forced to do this. I really feel sorry for the plight of the women. Look at the stark contrast between the men and women. Men are dressed in colorful attire where as the women wear black or grey or white and they can reveal only their faces. If this is not oppression of women, what is?
When will the people in Asian countries come out of this oppression and inequality?
As long as there are men in this world especially in the Middle east and other south asian countries, women are doomed!
I usually come to your blog to see what other atrocities are happening in this world and every time, I just ending up depressed. It is extremely sad but you are doing a good job enlightening people on the injustices happening in some parts of the world.
Comment by Anonymous — November 6, 2007 @ 10:43 am
JAS @ 21,
I am not sure I understand your reply.
Comment by leo — November 6, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Shahrzad
Hmm, that is a standard answer.
You need to get some courses in literature and (probably) in Sufi allegory, metaphors and use of parable …..then you will understand the deep meaning in poems.
And if one did(I did not but a friend of mine did) but still disagreed in some cases, then the given answer is “Ah, but you are a westerner, you don’t know anything.”
Then there is a religion:
You need to read Quran, then you will understand our religion……………but no, wait, you did read it. But then you need to read hadiths and perhaps Ishaaq’s “Sirat Rasul Allah”. But you did, didn’t you. Well, then, you need to read it in arabic then you will get the meaning of it………….hmm, you didn’t, didn’t you.
And if someone did read it in arabic then there is the main objection………..”you are not muslim so you can not understand our values”.
Shahrzad, some (please note: some, not all) of your poets did drink wine, liked young slaves and behaved in a way that in today’s Iran would land them in prison. And they wrote about it…..beautifully.
Kamangir: I agree.
Comment by ella — November 6, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Garduneh, you have such a beautiful name, and yet you are so messed up and blind of hatred. What a pity. May heaven help you.
Shahrzad, instead of calling yourself a journalist you should resort to telling fairy tales like your famous namesake of Alf leyla wa leyla. Go on: “Yek-i bood, yek-i nabood…” Then, at least, you would be honest to your audience about making all that stuff up.
Kamangir: I admire your honesty that prevents you from simply deleting that crap off your website, your patience to endure the slurs of the people posting it, and always without losing your composure and politeness. You are certainly living up to the standards set by my much-revered Iranian friends, who, longing for their fatherland, will die in exile — but will do so as true Iranians: honest, upright, and benign.
Comment by Liber — November 7, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Wow, there are a lot of comments on this thread.
One of these days the Americans are going to run out of patience and nuke your […] kind to extinction.
Good grief.
Comment by brando — November 8, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
Leo:
In the real world (as compared to fictional comic book characters, etc.) wearing a mask of some kind in public in the United States is usually related to criminal or depraved activity…for example, a thief in a bank. Thus, depravity is what first comes to mind when we see masked men or women marching or demonstrating.
Comment by JAS — November 11, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
JAS @ 48,
Thank you very much for the explanation what real world is.
Still, I cannot see how your opinion differs from mine.
Comment by leo — November 12, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Why do you apologize for a statement like “Down with israel”? Okay, it is not strong enough, and it also fails to mention that israel is a terrorist usurper rogue (in the sense of having stolen, murdered, brutalised) entity calling itself a state. Other than that, the protest picture is a worthy statement for any reasonable person to make.
Comment by Yahya'Bene'Dicere — November 14, 2007 @ 1:37 am
Yahya,
Terrorist usurper rogue?
What does one call a state that actually supports terrorism? Like you know, states that support and arm Hizbollah and Hamas?
Please tell me, is it Israel that urges children to blow themselves up killing the elderly and young in the name of some bloodthirsty God? What middle eastern “states” supported the Nazis in WWII? What states brutally removed Jews from their lands as soon as Israel was voted in to existence?
By the way, speaking of stealing, please have the Muslims return Temple Mount to the people who worshipped there thousands of years before the plagaristic “religion” called “Islam” was even invented.
Comment by Tom — November 14, 2007 @ 9:49 am