Kamangir (Archer)

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1. Frieda | September 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 am

   Here is an excerpts of Gov. Palin remark about Iranian people women today. The only American politician who have mentioned grace situation of Iranian women. I think Iranian people should encourage Palint to talk more about Iranian human rights abuses:

   “Not even Iranian citizens are safe from their government’s threat to those who want to live, work, and worship in peace. Politically-motivated abductions, torture, death by stoning, flogging, and amputations are just some of its state-sanctioned punishments. It is said that the measure of a country is the treatment of its most vulnerable citizens. By that standard, the Iranian government is both oppressive and barbaric. Under Ahmadinejad’s rule, Iranian women are some of the most vulnerable citizens. If an Iranian woman shows too much hair in public, she risks being beaten or killed. If she walks down a public street in clothing that violates the state dress code, she could be arrested. But in the face of this harsh regime, the Iranian women have shown courage. Despite threats to their lives and their families, Iranian women have sought better treatment through the “One Million Signatures Campaign Demanding Changes to Discriminatory Laws.” The authorities have reacted with predictable barbarism. Last year, women’s rights activist Delaram Ali was sentenced to 20 lashes and 10 months in prison for committing the crime of “propaganda against the system.” After international protests, the judiciary reduced her sentence to “only” 10 lashes and 36 months in prison and then temporarily suspended her sentence. She still faces the threat of imprisonment.”

   source: http://www.governorpalin.blogspot.com

2. Mani | September 24th, 2008 at 12:27 am

   Frieda,

   Do you mean Sara Palin, if so You couldn’t find any one better than her, a bitch haunter who things is sent by god and the war in Iraq is a holly war.

   Arash, I don’t see any new point in your clip. So what? I wish to see a day when women and youths can wear what ever they want in the streets of Tehran but at the end of the day are those who live from Vanak upward the only representative of Iranian women??

   Also do you think there is no such arrests in so called democratic countries like your dreamland US.

   If not have a look at these and enjoy

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfISlq1gzK8&eurl=http://sibiltala.blogspot.com/

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ&eurl=http://sibiltala.blogspot.com/

3. Robby | September 25th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

   Since we don’t know what any are being arrested for I don’t think comparisons can be made.

   But I doubt Amy Goodman nor the Code Pink women are being arrested for the clothes they are wearing. I’d also be willing to bet a lot that they were warned to leave several times before they were arrested. Code Pink is especially notorious for acting as if the law does not apply to them. Of course they usually leave that part off Youtube.

   Mani - what does you comment about “Vanak upward” mean? Are you saying the women that can afford to live in Northern Tehran are better off then the others?

4. Mani | September 25th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

   Robby,

   Yes, these two clips can not be compared as the two countries. But why we always the same criteria for freedom like gay rights, women dressing codes etc

   But again I am sure if that has happened in Iran media would make a big fuss out of it saying that see how police is treating those protesters etc

   For :Vanak upward” I mean that Iran is not just Tehran and Tehran is not just its northern affluent neighbourhoods. If you go to the south you wont see any issue about the dress code because there is no need for moral police there.

   Any way as I said I wish to see a day when people and the government of Iran are mature enough to take minor things like, dress, music etc seriously.

5. Mani | September 25th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

   **** But why we always apply the same criteria for freedom to different contexts such as gay rights, women dressing codes etc

6. Robby | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:08 am

   To answer your question Mani - Women and gays are two demographics whose rights seem to suffer.

   It doesn’t seem fair that a country should give different, usually less rights to someone just because they are born female, or born gay.

7. Robin | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:08 am

   Hey Mani:

   If you think the videos of women being arrested in the US are the same as the ones from Iran, think again!! The women being arrested in both the clips you cited are not ordinary women. These are “code pink” or “code stink” I like to call them. They love getting arrested and spend all their time hoping something like what was on the video will happen. They don’t have real lives, they spend all their time trying to get George W Bush out of office. Don’t you get it, they are political troublemakers. You can’t blame the cops for punching them. They are obnoxious!! I am a very non-violent woman but I would have trouble not slapping them if I was the cop in charge of keeping order. These women love trouble. The point is, they were trying to get arrested, trying to make huge trouble. Don’t be fooled by this . We can wear whatever we want, say whatever we want, do whatever we want. In the U.S. nobody gets arrested for a hair or clothing violation. None of the women in the video were sent to jail or tortured. Can this be said of that poor girl in the video? I pray for her soul.

8. Mani | October 6th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

   Here in this clip it is not about being female. It is about dressing code and cultural context. Even if a male with what the state beleives is not standard dress goes out he will be in trouble. the thing is we can expect women to go unveiled in Iran because they can do this in US or other Europian countries. It is just in France or Turkey women with veil can not go to work or university.

   Also if in these clips just saying that police have already alerted them and they didn’t listen, I would argue that in Iran also police has been introducing the unproper codes of dress beforehand and those who cross those lines are taking this risk by knowledge.

   Nevertheles this is not say I am supporting what police is doing in terhan but just to say there are different practices of power here and there. Some are invisible (corporations, economic crisis, security guards, gated communities, rich and poor, CCTV) and some more overt (arresting, forcing dress code, banning alcohole and dancing in public etc).
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   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfISlq1gzK8&eurl=http://sibiltala.blogspot.com/

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ&eurl=http://sibiltala.blogspot.com/

9. Mani | October 6th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

   I think that clip is not about being female. It is about dressing code and cultural context. Even if a male goes out wearing what state beleives is not standard dress he will be in trouble. The thing is we can’t expect women to go unveiled in Iran because other females do in US or other Europian countries. the opposite case is for instance in France or Turkey women with veil can not go to work or university.

   Also if in those clips that I sent you, just saying that police have already alerted those pink protestors and they didn’t listen can justify the police action, I would argue that in Iran also police has been introducing the unproper codes of dress beforehand and those who cross those lines are taking this risk by knowledge.

   Nevertheles this is not say I am supporting what police is doing in terhan but just to say there are different practices of power here and there. Some are invisible (corporations, economic crisis, security guards, gated communities, rich and poor, CCTV in US) and some are more overt (arresting, forcing dress code, banning alcohole and dancing in public etc in Tehran).

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfISlq1gzK8&eurl=http://sibiltala.blogspot.com/

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ&eurl=http://sibiltala.blogspot.com/

10. Mani | October 17th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Robby, I din’t know that Arash also censors some of the comments but I left you an answer which has not been moderated for a week and now it’s gone.

    Kamangir: There is no censorship here whatsoever.

11. Robby | October 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Please post again Mani.

    Don’t confuse the two names, there is a post by someone named ‘Robin’, that is not me. My last post was on October 3rd and was an answer to your question about gays and women.

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